Random events-->

[lucifer]

Random events surely add an extra something to an RPG. Sure, there have been freak nature occurrences and such, but there are also the fact that horses aren't the top in the food chain. Now, I've seen many sites try and fail to incorporate RPing with both equine and lupine, so that is out of picture.

I was thinking, that perhaps we'd designate two or three people to randomly show up as a predator, each suiting to the terrain. The events would be at random, and not usually at the same time as another, but it would simulate realistic struggles between predator and prey.Or nature events would be stickied at that point at the top of the board.

Sandy Shores-->this would be a fairly safe terrain seeing as most canine predators don't linger near the beach, so a wolf or coyote attack would be very rare. Perhaps we could utilize weather here at points with harsh storms and tides, though the flooding wasn't long ago. Also, an oil spill may shorten the supply of food.

--Rare coyote attacks
--Drastic tide changes
--oil spill (affecting food supply )
--storms

Rocky Mountains-->Well, the moutons in themselves can be pretty dangerous, and those that abide in them are pretty used to the conditions. The winter would be the worst time with avalanches and cold, but in any season the wind can reach remarkable speeds. Also temperature drops can be pretty unpredictable. Wolves are a likely predator in the lower areas, though when hunger stricken will travel higher. Mouton lions would be the most dangerous as they are ambush predators.

--Wolf/coyote attacks
--Mouton Lion attacks
--Drastic temperature drops
--Very high speed winds
--Winter avalanches
--Spring mud slides

Vast Desert-->Well, the desert is a fairly barren area, and predators are usually small such as foxes or the occasional coyote in less harsh areas. Rattle snakes would be common throughout, so that would be the most likely predator. Sand storms are extremely dangerous since there is very little cover. Drought could be a nature aspect as well and freak storms.

--Rattle snake encounters
--Scorpion encounters
--coyote attacks
--Sand storms
--Freak Storms
--Drought
--Cold spell

Tropical Island--> Being an island, all occurrences are confined to the land area. In tie with storms and tides rising, the island would be affected, especially with oil spills. But, predators would be less in number since there would only be those that were there to start with. A pack of wolves could roam the terrain, and venomous snakes are going to be common. Disease would be a major influence.

--All that apply to the shores
--Wolf/coyote attacks (less wolves)
--Snake encounters
--Disease outbreak


Ocean Cliff--> This would affect all at the ocean cliff at the time. Most of the shores happenings would too affect the cliff, and erosion due to the tides could weaken rock and cause poor footing. Predator wise it would be pretty rare, coyotes of wolves could be a sparse occurrence.

--All that apply to the shores
--erosion
--Rare wolf/coyote attacks
--occasional Mouton lion attack

Lush Fields-->Wolves, what more to say. Wolves track their prey through vast lands and since this is the common mating and birthing place, the best bet would be for wolves to be near. Perhaps too a bear may wander into the scene, drought may also play a factor in food supply.

--Wolf/coyote attacks
--Bear attacks
--Drought

Deep Forest-->Wolves again, they would have sufficient cover to place an attack, as well as bear attacks due to surprise. Forest fires during a drought elsewhere, and rare snake encounters could take place.

--Wolf/coyote attacks
--Bear attacks
--Snake encounters
--Forest fires

once again any of these happenings would tie in with the season. Say in the winter avalanches and cold spells would be most likely, and wolf attacks would be more sparse. The Spring would bring mudslides, disease could start with the temperature change, wolf attacks with the birthing influx, storms and tides changes would be likely, as well as occasional snake encounters. The Summer would come with the drought and fires, more likely wolf and coyote attacks as well as Mouton lion and rare bear attacks,disease and snake encounter. Fall would cause concern toward hurricane type storms, dropping temperatures, motion lion/wolves/coyotes/ and rare bear attacks.

Take in mind that if it were a predator, the person affected Wolf be able to RP through the occurrence and perhaps get out of it, walk away with damage, or not walk away at all, others would be welcome to help. With nature events, anybody in that area would be affected and have to find a way to deal with it. Remember you char's aren't invincible so they would have to take some damage from a major change in their home.

Just an idea ;P

[Denali]

I completely agree. I tink that this area has been one of NSE's biggest downfalls. The fact that here horses are completely safe, with no predators and live on for infinate amounts of time is very not real. This would add a good bit of spice to NSE and I think that as long as we kept the wolves restricted to expierenced RPers and thoes that have expierence with wolves and predators and the like. Yes, we've had some natural disasters, the flood and the fire, and that was only a begining. Long ago there was once interaction between horse and wolf, just because I made it so and the conversation that was going on in the mountains was boring at the time. So I had decided to spice it up. We, however must make sure that people do not powerplay in events such as these, and would have to incoorperate rules - or good examples of how horses would react in such and such situation

Overall this would be good for NSE, I think that it would help bring in activness, including new people other than pink, kindred, crow (obviously) me, Solyss, wolf, windago, etc etc. this I believe is a great way to make NSE a very good RPG that is VERY realistic in the way that horses and other species interact. I know that some people will automatically object because they are going to say that NSE will slowly become an integrated RPG and it just won't work because everyone else failed. Besides, it's a wild horse RPG, not a horse/wolf/mt. lion/ snake RPG! etc etc. but Wild horses don't just interact with their own species either, they come across all of the stated above; and I think that is critical to incoorperate them into NSE for ultimate sucess.

Of course, we will ABSOLUTELY NOT let anyone else besides the designated people RP wolfes/cougars/moutnain lions/ R.Snakes/ etc. merely because people should be here for the horses, and not matter how great of an RPer they may be, I think that they should have to prove themselves to be here for a reason other than to hunt horses

Perhaps we could have a sub-boards in the mainlands where we could say the predators mainly reside, and yes, that would almost be like intertwining wolves into this HORSE RPG, but there is no way that we could exactly get around it. No, I'm not saying that thoes boards would be to RP the wolves, but perhaps just to generally state what is going on with the predators, and in their lives and theit health status so people know what is going on with the predators, and can get an idea of when to be most wary and stuff, as horses are forever on the lookout.

Solyss, I think this is a wonderful idea, and I think it is critical o NSE's sucess in coming back forever. Sure we'll have problems but every RPG has problems, and everything that's been thrown at us so far we've worked through. This might just be NSE's biggest break through.

[Hazel]

--Rare coyote attacks
--Drastic tide changes
--oil spill (affecting food supply )
--storms

Seeing as I am almighty Hazel-sama (lol) I can tell you that some of these ideas are great, but extreme. Plots are what make an rpg interesting, and nse has had many failed before. Though I and Kindred have started many successful ones too. Random attacks can spoil rpgs. Not because they are a bad idea, but because most people dont want to kill thier characters. I myself would never want to kill Storm, and a coyote attack would surly be the end of him, I would have no choice if someone attacked with a coyote. Mods and such using them, sure, but never say let any member have a coyote/wolf/lion character. And these are too many types of animal, too. We already have the Gaia, a disease that randomly attcks using a spare username whos access if only available to us mods. BUt this isnt used often. And if a horse is attacked with the disease, the player has the option to kill the character, but it is more likely that the horse will survive. But if a horse is attacked, its wounds will not heal so easily, and in the wild, the horse will die, most likely. So I dont agree with random animals attacking.

Also, storms and such have happened before. They destroyed NSE. It completly died, everyone left and went inactive. So again, no. Also, the shores has had so many wave attacks, my horse died from it (though it was Kinnys fault =P) and stuff. We have done most of these ideas, and have thought of others. Most went awry.


But I DO like the sound of an oil spill. But I wouldnt kill my characters. It seems interesting, though.

[Crow'sia]

There's a lot of ideas I've never even thought of before... like, mudslides. And it occurs to me, one of these days we really need to get the geography down. I wont be quoting much of the original post, because building on arguments of pro and con to a outlined idea is usually more effective. I think.
And it's true, most of the time NSE's inhabitants are rather stagnant on the environmental front. There was the Gaia, a hurricane of sorts early 2006 I can vaguely remember, foals starting to get deformities so the staff could play (^^), fire and flood late 2006, the theme in my head was actually come hell or high water. XD But, it's all been dramatic, not continuous.

Long ago there was once interaction between horse and wolf, just because I made it so and the conversation that was going on in the mountains was boring at the time.

I think I remember this. I was playing Eleanor in secret. She was there. And like, older than Crow'sia is now at the time. XD

I know that some people will automatically object because they are going to say that NSE will slowly become an integrated RPG and it just won't work because everyone else failed. Besides, it's a wild horse RPG, not a horse/wolf/mt. lion/ snake RPG! etc etc. but Wild horses don't just interact with their own species either, they come across all of the stated above; and I think that is critical to incoorperate them into NSE for ultimate sucess.

Another thing people could do is place these interactions into their own posts. In the Cliffs (I believe, though it started at the beach) With Values and Mes, Values killed a snake that popped out of nowhere for example. I don't think we would need worry about integration however, for example, when the West Nile Virus version of the Gaia came out, I started playing mosquitoes through the Gaia account. =D Oh how I miss the buggers. Since the Gaia was a non-player-character, predators would be NPC's too. It's sifted through my head before, I think we once mentioned making a general NPC account, but I could be dreaming. I think most exploitation problems (not all of course) can be solved with NPCs.

Perhaps we could have a sub-boards in the mainlands where we could say the predators mainly reside...

I'm not a fan of millions of boards, but if we did go with the idea of predators that are specifically played then I think it might be more reasonable to make an organized thread (probably in Game Information) that lists areas of higher risk, whether vague, or a detailed part of the territories etc.)

Also, storms and such have happened before. They destroyed NSE. It completly died, everyone left and went inactive. So again, no. Also, the shores has had so many wave attacks, my horse died from it (though it was Kinnys fault =P) and stuff. We have done most of these ideas, and have thought of others. Most went awry.

I don't recall the first storm, but the second one ended just as school began starting for most people, so, our statistics aren't so great. And some neat stuff happened, like, Thebis dying by getting crushed by a tree. Perhaps there should be a mild hurricane season, but, merr, the again, maybe not.
On another sort of note, it brings up the question, what is NSE's wet season?

Oil spills.

I don't mind this idea, but it brings up the question about humans. Many characters have histories and personalities effected by humans, some have been more modern than others, some more old world, but that's okay, a horse wont have a clear perception of technology. An oil spill makes us question two things, the time period, which could be anywhere from the industrial revolution to way in the future from now I s'pose. And, who would clean it up? Would humans show up? We've always thought humans are the worst thing that could happen. Alternatively, would they just stay in the water to clean things up? Maybe most folks fled the area anyways and would just have sightings of 'odd creatures' who walk on two legs and be like 'OMG what was that.' 'Oh, I know, it was one of those human folks, I ran from 'em.'

Anyways, some good ideas, they just have a lot of cause and effect questions attached, which is ultimately what seems to shut things down.

[Denali]

hazel said:

Random attacks can spoil rpgs. Not because they are a bad idea, but because most people dont want to kill thier characters.

That, in my humble opinion, is exactly why we need things like this, no, not perhaps now, but eventually. Merely because people are refusing to acknowledge that horses are invincable, and cannot die. Yes, believe me, I know how much we all want our chars to live on forever. I had a very very hard time killing Vinny, whom, by the way, was my first char, like ever. he was the only one that was known for anything. He was my first char on NSE. Not only that, but he is a horse in Real life. I didn't want to kill him. But time progresses, and time takes its toll. I strongly believe that we need something to limit the age that our horses can be. I know tons of them are younger, because we want them to live forever. ut I think we need to have an age limit, at the least, to where a char gets to a certain point, and such. Wild horses don't likve much past 15-MAYBE 18 years if they are lucky. IF they are lucky.

Like I said, I too, know what is is like to not want to lose a char. But life is nothing without death. and Death is nothing without life. Nobody learns anything if they know they can never have any consequences for their actions.

[Crow'sia]

Wild horses don't likve much past 15-MAYBE 18 years if they are lucky. IF they are lucky.

Crow'sia's darn lucky. XD She's mostly so old cause I want to get a few more roleplays out of her, cause she's been sitting around non-existent for so long and soon it wouldn't be reasonable at all to bring her back. I didn't change her age too much though, cause that would wreck all the time lines. x.x Kind of mad at myself for it, she'll be gone soon.


-will certainly discuss the more serious parts when more folks respond, etc-

[lucifer]

-nod- This was not intended to become something that would endanger lives at the whole, a coyote attack on a horse usually will not end in death seeing as coyotes are fairly small compared to their wolven counterparts. As for storms and such, it would be season ridden as stated, and would test the lead mare's ability to control and direct the herd to safer areas. What members need to get more excitement out of roleplay is something that will test them to think out a situation and put their character in a realistic place to get over the danger. Any of the above situations can be handled without death, when given the opportunity to be engaged in a havoc type situation, some people may take the opportunity and take some damage to a char, this then opens doors to new connections between other characters. Though, that may be only the experiences that I've witnessed along the way. Most of anything remotely life-threatening would be best put to use with more members and during a thick plot. Still now, I am advertising the site and have had good comments from other friends as to progress ^.^ An RPG can only be so realistic before it becomes too difficult to keep up with, so a balance has to be found in this matter.

[Crow'sia]

This was not intended to become something that would endanger lives at the whole, a coyote attack on a horse usually will not end in death seeing as coyotes are fairly small compared to their wolven counterparts.

And, coyotes really only hunt larger game in the winter, aye, so perhaps they would not be so bad.

As for storms and such, it would be season ridden as stated, and would test the lead mare's ability to control and direct the herd to safer areas.

This would go for predators as well, wouldn't it, lead them to safety while the lead male stays behind to kick somebody around.

More people need to put in some in put here. ^^

[falcon]

This is an interesting topic, and could easily sway either way..although I do think that we all need to remember that words can be harmful in debates/ ideas like these. So...no offense, but this isn't about what has alredy gone on, nor what one or two of us has done, but what is going to happen. So um, forgive me if I have offended anyone, I haven't meant to. But I tend to be a very opinionated person.

[Crow'sia]

This is an interesting topic, and could easily sway either way..although I do think that we all need to remember that words can be harmful in debates/ ideas like these. So...no offense, but this isn't about what has alredy gone on, nor what one or two of us has done, but what is going to happen. So um, forgive me if I have offended anyone, I haven't meant to. But I tend to be a very opinionated person.

I am now deeply confused. O.o

[Denali]

-mind explodes-

[lucifer]

What we need is more input, and perhaps among staff to plan out such things. As of now, NSE is still on the rise, and yes, we don't want to put too many characters in danger, but too we need something more to attact more people, because it is when an RPG immediately shows something unique that people spread the word. xD I've recruited quite a few people from the SIMs that I am a part of, but that can only get so far...

Really, I am glad that I joined when I did seeing as my Live-chat RPGs became inactive shortly after ;p <33

[Crow'sia]

I've never done live-chat.

Yar, and staff needs to get more, staff-idea-active, before my brain explodes with frustration.

[Echo Not logged in]

It's Mountain Lion, not Mouton Lion.

[Kate]

I rather like the idea of a rogue mountain lion in the Rocky Mountains. I mean, they do and can attack horses. In fact, what they would do is sit on a ledge waiting for prey [whether it be deer, mountain goat, elk, etc.] to walk by, then literally just drop on them. That would definitely be potentially fatal for a horse if it was alone and no help came for it. In fact, I would be willing to volunteer Astraia for such an attack, as long as I could get someone to be near by. I've just created her so I don't want to kill her off quite yet.